In our inaugural episode of the Servant Leaders podcast, Joe Amschlinger, my longtime friend and colleague – and the guy I jokingly blame for getting me elected to public office – sat down with me on the Fourth of July (how very appropriate!) and interviewed me on the genesis of The Grindstone Institute, what we hope to accomplish, and what we’ve been up to during its first few months. I think Joe finally got tired of me saying I was going to start a podcast for Grindstone, so when he dropped by for a burger on Independence Day we decided there was no better time to talk about good citizenship, leadership, and service to others.

(Pardon our static on the mics at the beginning of the interview - we're new at this!)

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